Israel and the Gaza

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:03 pm

Ok on the first link it clearly says that Hamas was not responsible. It was another terrorist group. And on the second Hamas is also not clearly the one who fired those missiles. So there is no proof that Hamas broke the ceasefire. Every other time Hamas has readily took credit for it's assaults on Israel so why wouldn't they take credit for this. Not to mention that no one but the IDF is reporting these attacks. Not the media sources stationed in Gaza the west bank or Israel. I'm not saying they didn't happen but how many and who is responsible is definitely in question.

Mayumi · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:19 am

_Dutchy_ wrote:

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I'm pretty sure he meant (wars started)/(years of existence).

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yea.

10-13 wars in 227 years i don't think thats bad

I'l look it up later to be sure but i'm pretty sure that britain has had more then 13 wars in the last 227 years.

Britain has been in hell of a lot more then.13, they are 50 i know of.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

Aristocrat wrote:

Spoiler!

this picture tells you everything you need to know.

Israël is conducting a systemetical expanding operation. Their goal is to eventually expel all Palestinians from the area. Everything else about Hamas and Israël's safety is not what it's about. Gaining more land, that's their main goal. Israël continues to build new settlements which are illegal by international law, but Israël doesn't care about that. They are keeping their relationship with the Palestinians chaotic so that the attention is drawn away from the settlements. This whole war thing happens every year or two, the same nonsense all over again. In the meantime however, Israël has reached it's goal; gaining more land and building new settlements.

Bartic · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:02 am

While we're at conspiracy theories, have you guys heard that UFO has crashed in New Mexico?

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:36 pm

Bartic wrote:

While we're at conspiracy theories, have you guys heard that UFO has crashed in New Mexico?

Crashed ?... no it landed you haven't heard of the secret US-Alien pact to take over the middle east?

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

_Dutchy_ wrote:

Crashed ?... no it landed you haven't heard of the secret US-Alien pact

Where's your source?

Bartic · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:55 pm

_Dutchy_ wrote:

Bartic wrote:

While we're at conspiracy theories, have you guys heard that UFO has crashed in New Mexico?

Crashed ?... no it landed you haven't heard of the secret US-Alien pact to take over the middle east?

You know the drill. Pics or didn't happen.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:29 pm

Bartic wrote:

While we're at conspiracy theories, have you guys heard that UFO has crashed in New Mexico?

how is that a conspiracy. They are settling more land than they were allowed to according to international law.

_Dutchy_ · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:49 pm

*BlackFox wrote:

_Dutchy_ wrote:

Crashed ?... no it landed you haven't heard of the secret US-Alien pact

Where's your source?

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All right, kid, here's the deal. At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they're just trying to make a living.

A qoute from a secret governent agent called Agent "K"

Bartic · **Posted:** Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:20 pm

_Dutchy_ wrote:

*BlackFox wrote:

_Dutchy_ wrote:

Crashed ?... no it landed you haven't heard of the secret US-Alien pact

Where's your source?

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All right, kid, here's the deal. At any given time there are approximately 1500 aliens on the planet, most of them right here in Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough, they're just trying to make a living.

A qoute from a secret governent agent called Agent "K"

Just got sudden urge to watch MiB again.

OnT: I like how some people think that what media says is true. I'm not saying Israeli are the bad guys here, nor that Palestinians are. I just say that media is ALWAYS biased, and so easily controlled.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

_Dutchy_ wrote:

A qoute from a secret governent agent called Agent "K"

Unfortunately, as an alien... That's bunch of lies. :giveup:

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

Conspiracy theory huh? I guess my professor believes in it too.

Now go back to school.

cbkilla · **Joined:** Feb 2010 **Posts:** 1124 **Location:**

Clearly upset.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

i rememeber rading that neither side want a peace treaty, hamas cause they are being delusional/dont want to lose support,
Israel cause they dont need one. They are strong enough to not be affected by hamas' fireworks + know they have backing of most western countries. A war is a perfect chance to just seize a the territories without having people bitch.
+dont they have settlements in West bank? So its not really a conspiracy theory to say they want more land lol.

cbkilla · **Joined:** Feb 2010 **Posts:** 1124 **Location:**

TheDrop wrote:

i rememeber rading that neither side want a peace treaty, hamas cause they are being delusional/dont want to lose support,
Israel cause they dont need one. They are strong enough to not be affected by hamas' fireworks + know they have backing of most western countries. A war is a perfect chance to just seize a the territories without having people bitch.
+dont they have settlements in West bank? So its not really a conspiracy theory to say they want more land lol.

Thing is Isreal doesnt want that land anymore. If Israel was to seize the land during war Israel would have to annex it, and when annexing land you need to give its population citizenship of your country. There is no way in hell Israel is going to give citizenship to some odd million people (im including the west bank in this) that are mostly all hellbent on destroying Israel. We tried giving Gaza back to Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan but no one wants to deal with them lol. Which is the only reason they are unclaimed territories right now. Thing i dont understand is why we are still supplying water and power to the territories.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

as if Israël respects international law. Israël is already taking land during peacetime, so I don't think they would mind taking it during wartime. but they're not stupid enough to do that. not because they would have to annex it, but because all the attention is currently focussed on IsraËl/Gaza. it's better for them to do it when there is 'peace' and the world isn't looking.

omier · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 5985 **Location:** ...

cbkilla wrote:

Thing is Isreal doesnt want that land anymore. If Israel was to seize the land during war Israel would have to annex it, and when annexing land you need to give its population citizenship of your country. There is no way in hell Israel is going to give citizenship to some odd million people (im including the west bank in this) that are mostly all hellbent on destroying Israel. We tried giving Gaza back to Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan but no one wants to deal with them lol. Which is the only reason they are unclaimed territories right now. Thing i dont understand is why we are still supplying water and power to the territories.

1.Kill all the people.
2.No one left to give citizenship to.
3. :sohappy:

Aristocrat · **Joined:** May 2012 **Posts:** 354 **Location:** Sweden

israel is the center of religion, so as a agnostic I say: I give up. The fight is being faught with brainsets anno year 200 b.c

And following the level of seriosity on this thread i'll just facepalm and say bomb it, less religion, more future for humanity ftw.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:48 am

cbkilla wrote:

TheDrop wrote:

i rememeber rading that neither side want a peace treaty, hamas cause they are being delusional/dont want to lose support,
Israel cause they dont need one. They are strong enough to not be affected by hamas' fireworks + know they have backing of most western countries. A war is a perfect chance to just seize a the territories without having people bitch.
+dont they have settlements in West bank? So its not really a conspiracy theory to say they want more land lol.

Thing is Isreal doesnt want that land anymore. If Israel was to seize the land during war Israel would have to annex it, and when annexing land you need to give its population citizenship of your country. There is no way in hell Israel is going to give citizenship to some odd million people (im including the west bank in this) that are mostly all hellbent on destroying Israel. We tried giving Gaza back to Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan but no one wants to deal with them lol. Which is the only reason they are unclaimed territories right now. Thing i dont understand is why we are still supplying water and power to the territories.

So why is Israel so opposed to the palestinians just creating their own country their...

cbkilla · **Joined:** Feb 2010 **Posts:** 1124 **Location:**

Because its governed by a terrorist organization lol

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:02 am

The PNA is a terrorist organization?

This is stupid everyone knows Hamas is douchbags but when the PNA goes to the UN to say that they want recognition as their own country and Israel cock blocks the whole thing and then latter says if they even get their status upgrades Israel will bomb the shit out of them...thats terrorism

what difference does it make anyway who governs the palestinians. Israel will just keep taking their land according to every source except for you who says they don't want it and it's not like Israel couldn't just keep bombing them if they get out of hand. How would the West Bank being its own country be any actual threat to Israel.

cbkilla · **Joined:** Feb 2010 **Posts:** 1124 **Location:**

XemnasXD wrote:

The PNA is a terrorist organization?

No, but Hamas is lol. Everyone knows Gaza is run by Hamas and not the PNA so please.

Bartic · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:31 am

Aristocrat wrote:

israel is the center of religion, so as a agnostic I say: I give up. The fight is being faught with brainsets anno year 200 b.c

And following the level of seriosity on this thread i'll just facepalm and say bomb it, less religion, more future for humanity ftw.

Gotta agree with you on this.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:27 pm

cbkilla wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

The PNA is a terrorist organization?

No, but Hamas is lol. Everyone knows Gaza is run by Hamas and not the PNA so please.

so why not let the West Bank become its own country. And Gaza isn't run by Hamas anymore than the Taliban ran afghanistan. They're as much a threat to the civilians of Gaza as they are to israel.

Kamiko · **Joined:** Nov 2012 **Posts:** 35 **Location:** Melbourne

Aristocrat wrote:

here's a developement map for those interested

Spoiler!

To be fair, that map is somewhat misleading. Parts of nowaday Israel were public land (and large amounts of that, uninhabited desert).

Almost all of Beersherba is desert, and in the 40s, 80% was public land.

Another map (better indication of what was once public land, before becoming Palestinian land, and eventually Israeli land)

Spoiler!

Also, an interesting documentary from inside the Gaza Strip

Spoiler!

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

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Israel is to build 3,000 new settler homes in east Jerusalem and the West Bank after the Palestinians won recognition as a non-member state at the United Nations, according to reports.

Read more HERE!

Yes, Israël wants to come to a peace agreement and isn't aiming for more land at all. And do you know why Israël is so against the Palestinians becoming a member of the U.N.? Because that would be enable the Palestinians to sue Israël for warcrimes at the international court of justice in The Hague.

gg, cbkilla

Aventus · **Posted:** Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:06 pm

Keep this thread going guys, I have a paper to write for my political science class on israel and the gaza strip.

Went over this after class with the professor and a few other students we all agree, israel needs to invade gaza.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

Violence cause more violence.. It's a vicious circle. Just saying

Aristocrat · **Joined:** May 2012 **Posts:** 354 **Location:** Sweden

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Sports/Foot ... z2DkDq7cSl

good stuff, cut israel off from euro-contact ftw. Send the hole area back a thousand years ftw. Unless USA wants to keep it alive, their budget sure got room for it rofl.

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